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It seems, from all the news reports, there has been a rise in the amount of violent crimes around the country. Is this because they are being broadcast more now? Or is there really a stirring upon the land?
I'm wondering if those of you living there have felt any change in your level of safety or comfort. I'm wondering if these crimes are circumstantial or if it is random? It appears to be mostly economic desperation from unemployment and otherwise related to drugs and the rest seem to be crimes of passion.
My concern is about the impact an ex-pat has on the socio-political environment. If I arrive with outside income, spend it in Belize, it seems good for the economy of tourism but as I have read that also has a price. I have read a few local articles about the imbalance and how some native Belizeans feel a power imbalance and a return to indentured servitude and slavery like dichotomy. It seemed like there was little else for the Belizeans I met to do but to work as it came from the foreigners who paid less than living wage but more than nothing... It was sad to think I was contributing to this. Of course when I wanted to talk about it, I was told it wasn't my place and I agree - to a point.
I want to know that my studies and work there are for better and not contributing to an increasingly desperate situation. I need to know that I am a part of the solution and not the problem.
Please feel free to share your thoughts on this, I really am interested in all opinions.
Please remember this is a friendly inquiry into the welfare of my fellow and not a flame war.
Thanks
I'm wondering if those of you living there have felt any change in your level of safety or comfort. I'm wondering if these crimes are circumstantial or if it is random? It appears to be mostly economic desperation from unemployment and otherwise related to drugs and the rest seem to be crimes of passion.
My concern is about the impact an ex-pat has on the socio-political environment. If I arrive with outside income, spend it in Belize, it seems good for the economy of tourism but as I have read that also has a price. I have read a few local articles about the imbalance and how some native Belizeans feel a power imbalance and a return to indentured servitude and slavery like dichotomy. It seemed like there was little else for the Belizeans I met to do but to work as it came from the foreigners who paid less than living wage but more than nothing... It was sad to think I was contributing to this. Of course when I wanted to talk about it, I was told it wasn't my place and I agree - to a point.
I want to know that my studies and work there are for better and not contributing to an increasingly desperate situation. I need to know that I am a part of the solution and not the problem.
Please feel free to share your thoughts on this, I really am interested in all opinions.
Please remember this is a friendly inquiry into the welfare of my fellow and not a flame war.
Thanks
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Re: View from afar
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 10:35 AM
The question is... is Belize any less safe than any other latin american country? I doubt it. I bet it is one of the safer ones.
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 1:45 PMYes, I agree with that however, the questions begs another level of consideration. -
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Re: View from afar
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 3:21 PM
I don't see how simply living somewhere is being a part of the solution or the problem. I could very easily say that I support Dick Cheney's insane vision of world domination by living in the US and paying taxes, and therefore, supporting the US war machine. Would me leaving the US help solve this problem? Probalby not.
I think your influence on a country has more to do with what you do while you are there, not just simply by the fact that you are there.
-troy
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Re: View from afar
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 5:47 PMThe fact that belize's biggest interest is the tourism industry and to keep thatalive they will do their best to keep the crime down,I know that belize city has a large drug trade and so crime is high there .ive also heard that in southern belize has a bit of a drug problem so beware ...all in all I dont think belize is going to be any more dangerouse than some American cities.
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Re: View from afar
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 10:07 PMI appreciate the replies.
I guess I'm more interested in the socio-political events and the impact of tourism on the dichotomy between the native Belizans and foreign interests.
That was my real question.
I never once felt like I was in danger when I was there.
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Re: View from afar
Thu, April 12, 2007 - 8:40 AMYou can get as deep as you want, that is what Tribe is for.
Western culture is already deeply woven into Belize culture becuase it was a British colony, right? The biggest advantage of that is Belize seems to have some of the best educated people in latin america. I just don't see how western influence or tourism is hurting that country.
I think the immigration issue will really start going two ways as more boomers retire. The cost of living in the US will make retiring in latin america very appealing. With all the imigration heading north, it is almost inevitble that latin america will become more western... just like it is inevitble that the US is going to become a lot more Latin.
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Re: View from afar
Thu, April 12, 2007 - 11:45 AMThank G-d for that! I'm happy to see more Latin influence in American culture :)
www.amandala.com.bz/index.php
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Re: View from afar
Sat, April 21, 2007 - 8:12 AMBelize has no industry/infrastructure....people welcome tourism as a positive thing....speaking for my husband, the only thing native belizeans are slightly resentful of is having to be the "workers" for the resorts instead of running the resorts...and trust me, it is not just the white ex-pats that stirs the pots....
it is immigrants in general....the Chinese who bought out all the local Belizean grocery stores, the Indians who bought out all the clothing stores, etc....so now the native belizeans are not in positions to pull themselves out of certain levels of poverty as they are losing more and more local businesses to foreigners...they gain short term financially but lose long-term financially in the end with no family businesses to sustain themselves...my family for example, wants to sell a bar they've had in the family for decades, in the heart of San Ignacio, for this short term gain..
On the one hand, some Belizeans are resentful, or as my husband says, even mad at themselves for selling so much of their local businesses, in addition to the government selling the rights for water, electricity, etc. to corporations...hell, the prison itself is owned by one man lol....but some praise the mennonite immigrants, for example, for bringing in agricultural profits with agricultural technology.
As far as danger, it is a very safe country...i'd say the biggest concern is the immigrants hopping the border from guatemala and honduras and jacking the tourists...
about the whole "slave" reference, i definitely think there are some resentments...but not typically on the ex-pats for having money, as many belizeans themselves try to go to the US or England to make money and return to belize...everybody knows the game...on the one hand, tourism creates jobs, on the other they are typically low-paying jobs...but man, once you sell those family businesses it's hard to ever own a business again in a country like belize, in my opinion -
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Re: View from afar
Sat, April 21, 2007 - 10:14 AMThank you so much for your insight!
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Re: View from afar
Thu, May 10, 2007 - 9:40 PMBridget:
I live in the Cayo district, and tend to agree with Dj B that it's the Guatemalan banditos that are illegally crossing the border and causing most of the fuss(meaning the tourist robbings - heck, one happened a couple days ago at one of the biggest ruins here). Yeah, no doubt that it's illegals doing that damage. You would think that with the amazing amount of political corruption here - ironically done in the name of capitalism - that there would be quite a few assassination attempts on the government officials. But, Belizeans just don't care enough to raise arms against the govt, which has sold off everything, and keeps monopolies in place - costing the populace a lot of money. The phone monopoly gouges us, Sacred Heart, a school, for internet access. I mean they stick it to us, hard! And the govt made our owning a private staellite dish to circumnavigate the telephone monopoly a crime! Irony at it's finest. They continue to block Voice over IP(of course, we're good with computers, and we have found a way to avoid their blocking, but every other school(and business) is at a loss since they have to pay $2 a minute to BTL, while BTL uses VoIP themselves and only pay 8 cents a minute - wish I could have a 1200% markup on product!!! All this is just the way here of short term thinking, just like Dj B mentioned. I hate to say it, but the future of Belize looks to be in everyone else's hands but Belizeans(of course, I think Belize is just as much of a melting pot now as the u.s. - and that's a good thing)
At the same time, it appears that Belize is pricing itself out of the tourism market. Sure, we have our own Cancun(San Pedro on Ambergris Caye) where prices are astronomical, as they should be, but most every couch surfer I host(and I host quite a few), says they will only stay in Belize a couple of days, and will spend months in Guatemala due to Belize being the 3rd most expensive country in the America's(behind the u.s. and Canada) As many say, the Belizean nada-economy relies on tourism that won't be there in a decade unless something is done. This year was the worst year for tourism from what I've heard. And that does come from the u.s. and Canadian embassies declaring Belize 'very dangerous.' But I feel safer here than in the u.s. At school, for sure!!!
Now the crime in Belize City's ghetto is just like any ghetto in the world. Crime begets crime there. They have bike drive by shootings all the time there. Yeah, I know, it's hilarious and sad at the same time, but it's very true. Just don't find yourself in the ghetto at dark, and you'll be fine there too. Just like L.A. and Dallas, and Houston, and every big city you can think of. That's just how ghettos work - just like they should. When people ask me if there are any setbacks to living in paradise, I simply say that Belize, just like every other country on earth, has rampant crime, political corruption, scam artists, assholes, and people making problems. The key is to remember that this is 2007, and the world is in a bad state...and why should that affect me negatively when I'm doing my best to do my part to fix it??? It doesn't. I know that the asshole rate in this world is quite high, but that doesn't stop me from befriending people. I decided to stop lending money out, unless it's a really close friend. That strategy, I'm sure, has saved me thousands...
Funny you mention indentured servitude! So many of my students want to go to the states to find a job there. I tell them, ad nauseum, that yes, they will make more there, possibly a lot more(if the average Belizean here makes $75us a week, they are doing good), but they cost of living up there, and the rent alone, will make them "indentured servants." I also tell them that they shouldn't leave a paradise just so they can make a little more cash because it's just not worth it. Some listen, some don't, but those that stay have a life with more fun and less stress for sure. I read the Amandala article, and I disagree on the grounds that I bet that close to 100% of the college grads here will have good jobs within a month or so after graduating. Of course, high school only grads are in less and less demand because high school is only intended to be a stepping stone(and many people stop at high school). When we meet with the business community they say more and more that they would rarely if ever hire someone with just a high school degree.
I wonder how the economic landscape will change now that Belize has scores of subdivisions - american style. Yes, there are tens of thousands of quarter acre lots from Corazol to Cayo. There is so much construction going on here that the prices of building materials have increased quite a bit in the last couple of years. We even have a few 'Gold Coast' style subdivisions like up on Long Island, where the lots have names, and are 10 or more acres each, and will have mansions on them. One can only hope that this infusion of richer people(and retirees) can help sustain the economy here. I hope that the next political party winner later this year actually decides to do something with the infrastructure instead of lining their own pockets...hahahahaha! It's always good to end a long, boring essay with a good laugh!
God be with,
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Fri, May 11, 2007 - 2:56 AMThanks for that, it gives me something to chew on :) -
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Re: View from afar
Tue, May 29, 2007 - 3:55 PMreally interesting read. i miss belize and know i'll be back someday.... i think about buying a little house there someday. but if its going the way of cancun that will sadden me to no end.
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